I'm really hurt by this....

topic posted Fri, May 16, 2008 - 1:46 PM by  Ember
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So i went to church the other day with my father and step mom. i was talking to a member of my church and mentioned I had started bellydancing since we last talked almost a year ago. She told me that exposing my skin and dancing like that was as bad as premarital sex and that i should be ashamed. I've never been so hurt in my life! Why would something that is beautiful and makes me confident and proud be considered shameful and trashy!? She mentioned it to the residing priest and suddenly his lecture/sermon was no longer about forgiveness and friendship but instead on sins of the flesh and temptation. I feel really upset about this. I know dancing isn't wrong and i know i'm not a horrible person for it. How can i make others see that? its causing a real problem with me and my family as well. They have the same mind set as the church. HELP!

Ember
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  • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

    Fri, May 16, 2008 - 1:59 PM
    I think your first problem is that you put so much emphasis on what the people of your church's opinions. If you know that dancing is a beautiful thing and not a 'sin of the flesh' then why do these people's judgements of it shake you to the core? I think your hurt is an indicator that your larger framework of beliefs need attention - who is in charge of your inner peace - them, or you?
    Maybe this experience is challenging you to re-examine your beliefs regarding your church and your religion and figure out where they diverge from your natural sense of intuition.

    Dancing is a beautiful thing. A Godly thing.
    • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

      Fri, May 16, 2008 - 3:50 PM
      I grew up with this church and thogh i've moved a lot i've always kept in touch with this church. Naturally their opinions mean a lot to me as a result of that. I understand that you're telling me as long as i'm happy with me and what i'm doing then their opinions shouldnt matter. Thank you.
  • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

    Fri, May 16, 2008 - 2:00 PM
    They are interpreting the Bible incorrectly. There is a lot I could say, but I'll keep my input short. My parents are religious, too, and I have had some tough times with them.

    The Bible does not say that premarital sex is wrong, it says that sex without love is wrong. That can be argued against, too - sex is great exercise. Why should someone use a workout machine rather than enjoy a fun and healthy sex workout with a friend?

    I think you should buy or burn a bunch of copies of Dirty Dancing and give it to the priest and other members of the church who are being inappropriately harsh on you. The message of that movie is spot on. In general, the less that things are accepted, the more dangerous they will become. This applies to abortions, raves, drugs, and on and on.

    Feeling comfortable in one's body and at the same time sharing your dance with others is not in any way wrong.

    I joined this tribe to say that. Good luck to you.
    • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

      Fri, May 16, 2008 - 3:53 PM
      thank you for joining. I just cant believe these people would do that. i've seen tons of crap from these people and never passed judgement on them yet they can so easily do it to me. i'm just hurt. i think you're suggestion is great! THey'd probably die though
      • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

        Fri, May 16, 2008 - 4:51 PM
        Many people misjudge bellydance by making inferences and assumptions and therfore are ingorant and close-minded to the fact that bellydance is an ancient artform derived for women by women mainly for pregnancy reasons. In your situation it all comes down to you knowing what's right for you; if you are convinced you are not doing anything wrong, which in my opinion is absolutely true, then that's all that matters. There are many religious people from vast religions that will claim as a woman you shouldn't dance at all much less bellydance. Your comfort should be your first priority.
        • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

          Mon, May 19, 2008 - 9:33 AM
          Honestly, it sounds like you have outgrown this church, and it's time for you to either find another church that better fits your needs, or continue to develop you spirituality in other ways.

          A true heart, and an open and honest mind will help you more than any narrow minded and judgemental church will.
  • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

    Mon, May 19, 2008 - 6:10 PM
    Apparently she missed the loving parts of Christianity and is more inclined toward the spiteful. Her problem with jealousy, not yours. Their problem, if the change in sermon was a result of that.
    • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

      Tue, May 20, 2008 - 11:26 AM
      I think all the advice here is awesome.
      you have outgrown, you should look into yourself. they are jelous, and it's a reflection of their intolerance and narrow mindness. it's their own shame, not yours.

      Just so you know, I started bellydance in my late teens, danced for about 6 years and then my x-husband made me leave it. Horrible, just plain horrible.

      Don't ever let anyone take away from you what makes you happy, you will be so sad.

      Bellydance every day of your life.

      and I'll be as bold as to say, you shouldn't share your time with people like that. If you must be part of an Organized Religion, find a church that deosn't judge, like you dont' judge.

      Good Luck to you.

      Alina
      • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

        Mon, June 2, 2008 - 6:52 AM
        thank you. i just switched to a brand new church. it actually works out a little better. Its closer to my home. my parents still arent too accepting of the dancing but they'll come around eventually. Thank you everyone!
  • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

    Wed, May 28, 2008 - 9:00 AM
    My first introduction to belly dance was a class taught at my Catholic Church. Keep in mind that everything is in the eye of the beholder. If the person you talked to has never actually seen belly dancing, she probably envisions stripping.

    Souzan
    • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

      Mon, June 2, 2008 - 12:15 PM
      I agree with my sister Souzan and this comes from her sister Souzzon (lol) unfortunatly there are many out there who have old beliefs that have to do with showing skin, and the movements as being sexual, after all, belly dancers in Egypt way back when were all ladies of the street. It's unfortunate that many people with these beliefs lump us in with strippers and this is one reason why so many of work hard to educate the public about history of our art and tend to get upset when newbies are out there just shaking it all over or sticking their boobs in men's faces, there's a tactful and artful way to perform.
      Sounds as if your new church may be what you need, being that you grew up in the old church there is probably a lot of "old" blood which also means old ways of thinking, hopefully your new church has a more youthful way of thinking and dealing with issues.
      It upsets me that your old pastor turned his sermon to the sins after being told about your new art form, i hate to say this but so many churches are just not what they use to be, like the story of a man who took a quarter from the collection plate and was told on, did the pastor take the man aside and ask if he or the church could help, no, he called the police and had him arrested....what happened to love thy neighbor and do unto others....
      Well, sorry about the ranting but this is why i don't go to church, i believe that god is everywhere and does not require one specific place for all to gather, after all, did he not go to the people?
      Keep your chin up, all here have given you great advice, i wish you continued sucess with your dance and your spiritual path.
      • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

        Wed, June 18, 2008 - 7:06 AM
        The problem is most religions teach that if you are kind, loving, giving,open hearted ( and so on and on and on) that your life will be full of the same. This is False. No matter where you go you will encounter people and people have thier own opinions, and interpretations of right and wrong. To believe , that 'because' you are a nice person, everyone will be open minded and embrace you as such is setting yourself up for repeated dissappointment and hurt. Continue to be nice, be who you are and surround yourself with people who are of the same thoughts and life style if what you want is a peaceful co-existence...You will always run into someone who will have an "opinion" that is contrary to your beliefs. They are everywhere in our lives. You can accept thier right to have an opinion but you can also accept your right to a different opinion. Agree to disagee. Continue to represent the dance as a beautiful expression of your soul. Continue to grow and be patient ,not all people grow at the same pace, but most look forward down thier paths for a shining example of what it is to be happy and content. I hope your hurt heals well from the inside out, and I am sad that you experienced such a thing.
        • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

          Thu, July 31, 2008 - 10:29 AM
          I am coming in on this rather late but ...

          King David danced his praises to the Lord, Psalms is full of references to doing so. One of his wives disliked that about him but it did not stop him! I am working on a praise dance ministry myself, called, in fact King David's Dancers.

          Here on tribe there is a Christian Belly Dancers tribe, started up by a great lady named Sue. Also I have my King David's Dancers tribe hoping to connect with dancers for whom dance is a praise. Sue's tribe has lots of dialog about such things as you have experienced. I am blessed that my church in general is more accepting. We have even held workshops there.

          Be of good cheer! Look up in the Bible all the references to dance! That should encourage you!
  • "judge not..."

    Sun, August 3, 2008 - 2:35 PM
    Yeah, I'm a little late getting in on this too, but...

    Many things that are written in the Bible have completely contradictory things that are also written in the Bible. So even if what they were saying were true (which doesn't appear to be the case), there are no doubt equal and opposite "true" statements. In any case, I think a good response in this case would be "Judge not, lest you be judged."

    -Sherezzah
  • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

    Wed, August 6, 2008 - 1:15 PM
    It is very sad and unfortunate that many individules whom profess themselves to be Christians ar most condeming and opinionated and hypocritical. I'm sure you did your very best to educate them on the roots of Belly Dancing and teh significance behind it and how it relates to the culture and community. You must be okay in your heart to know that you are doing nothing obsene, nothing descrasful, nothing tht any Divine Being sees as "BAD!" iT IS VERY INCONSIDERATE THAT ONE WOULD TAKE IT UPON THEM SELVES TO DISCUSS IT WITH THE PRIEST.
    I was raised Catholic and learned how very judgental some/majority who practice the religion are.
    You are doing NOTHING SHAMEFUL!!
    I hope you can be at peace within yourself. Obviously others around you are not at peace with themselves.
    Namaste...........
  • Re: I'm really hurt by this....

    Tue, August 12, 2008 - 9:47 AM
    Ember
    I have thought of you many times and how heavy your heart must be and how compromised you were. If you haven't already, you should read Belly Dancing ..The Sensual Art of Energy and Spirit by Pina Coluccia, Anette Paffrath and Jean Putz. You can find it on Amzon and they have many used editions for like $3.oo! The books does a wonderful job expaling the history of the dance and how it becam seen as Sexual amongst the Christian's with their interpretation of the story of Salome in teh Bible. I think this could help you provide some real insight and hopefuly an understanding to those close to you that are misinformed. It's a great book!!
    Namaste

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